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The following, another excerpt from The Life and Times of Elder Reuben Ross, written by his son James Ross, begins a two-part series of descriptions of Baptist ministers in central Kentucky and Tennessee in the early 1800s.
Chapter 13 of the book (which follows) gives one preacher's plain-talk explication of the Calvinist doctrine of selection and predestination:
We are all miserable sinners, conceived in sin and brought forth in iniquity; and if we had our just deserts would every one be sent to hell, and that speedily, but God in his infinite goodness and mercy has condescended to elect and save a few of us. And instead of adoring his holy name because all are not lost, they are raising a great clamor because all are not saved. A. has money and chooses to give B. a part of it. The money is his own and he can use it as he pleases. But it is no sooner known that he has bestowed a portion of it on B. than every vagabond in the country denounces him as partial and unjust, because he does not give him some, too. Who is injured by this? I would like to know. Some are benefited, but does that defraud any one else? One man makes a feast, and invites his friends to come and partake with him. Those who have not been invited raise a howl as if victuals had been taken out of their own mouths. Alas! for the folly and presumption of human beings! It is really past finding out."
Others might say "'A' can give, or not give, to whom he pleases, but if God created us, and is a loving God, wouldn't he, like a good parent, take some responsibility for his creatures or children?" The doctrine was in trouble among a people who saw their leaders, not as lords, but as public servants.
The Life and Times of Elder Reuben Ross tells of another Baptist minister, Daniel Parker, who found a new way to solve the "Theodicy Problem":
The famous "two seed" doctrine originated with him, which
heresy shook the churches of the Old Order to their foundations long after
the Bethel Association had been formed.
It seems that when Elder Parker in reading his Bible found such expressions
as, "Your father, the devil," or "Child of the devil,"
it set him to thinking, as did the falling of that famous apple Sir Isaac
Newton,-which was, in his case, too, attended with important results.
He decided in his own mind that these texts were to be understood literally and not figuratively, as they had been heretofore, and that without any figure of speech Satan had a host of lineal descendants in the world. And when we look around us and see how enormously wicked people sometimes become, this fancy of Elder Parker does not seem so absurd after all.
Elder Parker will be described at length in the next Jacksonian Miscellanies.
Both the Unitarian churches of America, and the Baptist churches, are branches of Congregationalism. The very Congregational nature of Congregationalism; its principal of the sovereignty of the individual congregation, makes it difficult to maintain any form of orthodoxy. Congregations of Baptists, like congregations of Unitarians, formed associations, which might ostracize an unorthodox minister (refusing, for example, the custom of ministers trading pulpits for one or more sessions). This happened, for instance, with the Unitarians and Theodore Parker.
When a strong and charismatic minister, or group of ministers exhibiting the same tendency, took a church, or group of churches, out of their old association, there was no central organization to discipline them. When Elder Reuben Ross came to the conclusion, through his study of the Bible, that the doctrine of predistination and selection was wrong, he and a group of others formed the Bethel Baptist Association, in a peaceful secession from the Red River Association. Later, Ross would fight against defections out of his association of church members attracted to the doctrines of the famous Alexander Campbell.
RED RIVER ASSOCIATION.
I DO not know the number of churches that composed the Red River Association
when it was organized. But in 1810, they amounted to twentyseven scattered
over a wide extent of country.
The number of members was 1020. Of this session Anthony New was Moderator,
Wm. Aingell, Clerk, and Elder Reuben Ross, Assistant Clerk.
During my boyhood and youth my opportunities of forming a correct estimate
of these old Baptists were much better than those of most boys of my age,
had I possessed the requisite discrimination. Your grandfather always insisted
on my attending the meetings, if possible, hoping, I suppose, that at some
time my attention might be arrested, and my thoughts take a religious turn.
I not only attended preaching with him near home, but often at some distance,
both in rude and newly settled districts, and also where society was more
refined and polished. At Hopkinsville, Elkton, Russellville, etc., were
many fine Baptist families fifty years ago; and the impression left on
my mind is that they were worthy of all esteem. Their Christian spirit
and reverence for religion were every where noticeable, and, notwithstanding
their creed, their hearts seemed to glow with love and gratitude to the
Creator for the great and merciful scheme of redemption through the sufferings
and death of His Son.
As far back as I can remember, what I considered a fine sermon delighted
me very much, and I am even now surprised at the impression that remains
on my mind, not only of the spirit of some I heard on those occasions,
but in many cases of the words and sentences. Next to the fine sermons
I was most interested in the experiences that used to be related among
the Baptists. And though I rather considered myself a very good judge of
a sermon I prided myself on my opinion of an experience, and thought I
could tell whether it would pay or not before the vote was taken.
There were, besides your grandfather, four preachers of notoriety in
the Association whom I remember well, and whom I have heard preach many
times. Of their personal appearance and the character of their preaching,
I have a distinct recollection. These were elder Lewis Moore, Jesse Brooks,
Isaac Todevine, and Sugg Fort. I will attempt to describe them, that you
may have some idea of the men with whom your grandfather was for many years
associated in the ministry.
staunch Predestinarians, and gloried in the doctrine they preached. All
were of excellent character and some of them of fine talents. In point
of ability it was generally admitted that Elder Lewis Moore stood foremost.
He was not above medium height, heavily built, with a short neck, large
head, full face, and was rather careless in his dress. Out of the pulpit
he had little to say, but in it he was certainly no common man. Before
coming to this country in 1728, he was pastor of the Reedy Creek Baptist
Church in Warren County, N.C. (See Burkitt and Reed's Church History, page
260). When I first knew him he was pastor of the Muddy River Church and
of several others in this country. This church was, I think, situated somewhere
north of Russellville, Logan County, Kentucky. In his style of speaking
he was nervous, vehement, and sometimes startling. He seemed to carry in
his memory every text in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation that bore
on election, predestination, and kindred subjects; and could apply them
with great force and effect. His tact in explaining away, and weakening
the force of those texts that seemed to militate against his views, I thought
little less than marvellous. His irony, too, was exceedingly sharp and
customary in those times for the preachers while arguing their points to
call on a brother, or sister even, to say if what they affirmed was not
true. They would do so many times during a sermon after becoming heated
by the argument, and the brother appealed to would sanction with great
energy. After piling text upon text, and argument upon argument, and making
his position seemingly impregnable, he would say:
"Tell me now, Brother Todevine, is not this doctrine true ?"
"Yes, Brother Moore, it is true, and the gates of hell shall not
prevail against it."
"Sister Owens, is this doctrine true?"
"Yes, brother, and bless the Lord for it."
he would continue," there are men in the world, and not a few of them
either, who deny the truth of this glorious doctrine of election that has
made glad the hearts of God's people for thousands of years. They say,
forsooth, it is partial and unjust, and does not give every one an equal
chance to be saved. Now just reflect. We are all miserable sinners, conceived
in sin and brought forth in iniquity; and if we had our just deserts would
every one be sent to hell, and that speedily, but God in his infinite goodness
and mercy has condescended to elect and save a few of us. And instead of
adoring his holy name because all are not lost, they are raising a great
clamor because all are not saved. A. has money and chooses to give B. a
part of it. The money is his own and he can use it as he pleases. But it
is no sooner known that he has bestowed a portion of it on B. than every
vagabond in the country denounces him as partial and unjust, because he
does not give him some, too. Who is injured by this? I would like to know.
Some are benefited, but does that defraud any one else ? One man makes
a feast, and invites his friends to come and partake with him. Those who
have not been invited raise a howl as if victuals had been taken out of
their own mouths. Alas! for the folly and presumption of human beings!
It is really past finding out."
let me tell you, my friends, what is really the matter. I am sorry to say
it, but the truth is the Almighty don't properly understand his business.
That is clear from the mistakes he is constantly making. Would it not be
a blessed thing if he could have some of our wise men to assist him? Some
that have studied Latin Greek, and Hebrew in the colleges and high schools,
to help him govern the world? Or might it not be better still as the poet
has said to
"Snatch from his hand the balance and the rod; Rejudge his justice;
be the god of God."
Then would follow one of his perorations, or conclusions, which I used
to think very fine.
"But, my dearly beloved
brethren and sisters, let not your hearts be troubled at these things.
Your bread shall be given you, and your water shall be sure. Your house
is built upon the rock. Let the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain
thing. Greater is he that is for you than they that are against you. Let
us contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints. The conflict
will soon be over, and we shall be where the wicked cease from troubling,
and where the weary are at rest. In those bright mansions not made with
hands, eternal in the heavens, crowns and diadems and palms of victory
await you, which shall be placed on your brows by the Great King himself."
It was delightful to see how happy the brotherhood seemed to feel on
occasions like this. Every countenance was radiant with these inspiring
hopes, but no hands would clap or shouts be heard. These preachers would
stop instantly in the midst of one of their loftiest flights should any
one give way to his emotions,-and wait for him to get composed.
believed that long before the morning stars sang together, and the sons
of God shouted for joy at the glories of the new creation, the Almighty
looked down upon the ages yet unborn, as it were, in review before him,
and selected one here and another there to enjoy eternal life and left
the rest to the blackness of darkness forever; and so he preached. I do
not think he lived to be an old man. When a youth I used to pass by his
dwelling on my way to Drake's Pond Church. His residence was in the extreme
southern part of Todd County, Kentucky. The situation was low and flat,
and had an air of loneliness and solitude about it even during his lifetime.
I regret that I cannot tell you his age or when he died.
Brooks, though of the same school of theology as Elder Moore, differed
from him in several respects. He was more social, cheerful, and pleasant
out of the pulpit. His coat was always brushed, his linen clean and white,
and his boots or shoes nicely blacked. He wore a broadbrimmed hat,
made of the genuine fur of the beaver, which had perhaps been caught by
some trapper among the Rocky Mountains. It used to be said that one of
these hats, with what the ladies called a "little doing up, now and
then," would last twenty years! He like other traveling preachers
in those times, used to carry on his left arm his saddlebags, containing
his Bible, hymnbook, and a change or two of linen, if he expected
to be from home some time. The umbrella was carried in the right hand,
and used as a walkingcane when not needed to keep off the sun or rain.
He was above the medium height, and his frame large, without any unnecessary
weight. His complexion was fresh for an old man, and his expression mild
and prepossessing. Your grandfather used to admire his manners at home,
which were those of a pious Christian who made all around him cheerful
I think he was a silversmith
by trade, but had long since quit the business, except as an amusement.
He once put a very pretty silver band around the ivory head of a cane belonging
to your grandfather, which had been fractured. I would infer from what
I used to hear, that he had saved enough from this business while young
to make himself and family comfortable in old age.
like other Calvinistic preachers of the day, had but little to say to sinners,
as those were called who had never made any profession of religion or connected
themselves with any church. Indeed, they seemed at a loss to know what
to do with sinners any way. They were tough subjects, and they seemed very
much disposed to let them alone. If they were not of the elect, all the
preaching in the world would do them no good, so far as salvation was concerned,
since they believed Christ died for the elect only. Why then preach to
them at all? On the other hand, if they were of the elect, nothing could
prevent their being saved. They would be sure, sooner or later, to come
into the fold. Many of the Old Order of Baptists still doubt the propriety
of making sinners the subjects of gospel addresses, and the late Dr. Watson,
who stood high as a man of great learning, benevolence, and zeal in religion,
(in a work published after his death called the "Old Baptist Test,")
complains of his brethren for not doing so.
I have heard
the subject of hereditary depravity discussed many times. The argument
was about this:-That we are all parts of our father Adam; and when Adam,
who was the whole, sinned, we the parts sinned also in him; and as he deserved
punishment, so do we, as being Adam drawn out at length, as they expressed
it. I used, when a boy, to try hard to comprehend this mystery, but never
succeeded. We know that one can receive a taint morally and physically
by hereditary transmission, as in pulmonary consumption, and bad tempers
and dispositions both in men and brutes. But how one can be really guilty
for this inherited defect is not so easy to conceive Sinners were advised
to shun outbreaking sins if possible, such as horseracing, cardplaying,
cockfighting profanity, drunkenness, and fiddling and dancing especially.
the nature and extent of the atonement, the final perseverance of the saints,
effectual calling, and the glorious and happy state of the elect after
death were the themes on which Elder Brooks and others loved to dwell.
In lofty style, like Elder Moore he would exhort his brethren and sisters
not to be discouraged or faint by the way, telling them the day of their
redemption was drawing nigh, and that they would soon behold the city of
the Great King in all its apocalyptic beauty and splendor; their spotless
robes, their golden harps, were there awaiting them, which would continue
to shine and sparkle in unfading brightness when the sun, moon, and stars
shall grow dim with age and pass away.
Elder Brooks also lived in what is now Todd County Kentucky. He was
long pastor of the "West Fork of Red River Church" the old site
of which is hardly known. He was, I think, a native of Virginia. I do not
know the date of his birth or death, though I have taken some pains to
learn. He and your grandfather often traveled and preached together, and
together assisted in organizing churches and ordaining ministers in the
have taken unusual pains to recall my early impressions of these two old
pioneer preachers, who may be considered representative ministers among
the Baptists of those days.
Their preaching was
chiefly directed to the defense of their doctrines and the feeding of their
sheep; that is, to comfort and encourage the members of their churches;
and this was done so much to their satisfaction and delight, that the aged
men and women of that generation who are left still look back to those
as the palmy days of their church, about which they love to think and speak,
though now comparatively few in number.
Of the soundness of their doctrines and the purity of their faith they
had the most exalted ideas, and no doubt many of them considered themselves
as much superior, in these respects, to the surrounding Christian denominations
as did the ancient Jews in comparing themselves with the heathen nations
But there was one dread thought
that often brought these old Christians low even unto the dust. "Am
I, after all, one of the elect? May I not, after all, be mistaken? And
if so, then all hope is gone!" The storm tossed mariner, when his
boat goes down, may find a plank or broken spar, and on it may reach the
friendly shore; but for him who is not of the elect there is no plank or
spar or friendly shore; he must sink in the deep, dark waters. There is
ground for believing that by this dread apprehension the reason of many
has been dethroned. Cowper, one of England's sweetest poets, was unable
to bear up under it, and Cromwell himself, if I remember rightly, whose
iron nerves never quailed before mortal foe, trembled at the bare thought
I have heard many, whose minds were
filled with doubts and fears on this subject, converse with your grandfather
in regard to it. While troubled with these gloomy apprehensions, they might
often be heard singing the plaintive old hymn:
" 'Tis a point I long to know,
Oft it causes anxious thought; Do I love the Lord or no ?
Am I his or am I not?"
Their fear was that Satan, who can transform himself into an angel of
light, and deceive the very elect themselves, were it possible, had tempted
them to conclude they were the children of God when they really were not,
and that they would ultimately be lost after all their fond hopes to the
Before passing on to our next chapter we
will add, that there was one theme of which these old Christians never
grew weary, and which filled their hearts with unspeakable love and gratitude.
That the Almighty should have loved them with an everlasting love, chosen
them to be lively stones in his holy temple, made them the special objects
of his regard, vessels of honor, while others, as good by nature as they,
perhaps better by practice, were vessels of wrath fitted for destruction,
seemed at times to fill their hearts with love and gratitude beyond expression.
Had he shown his lovingkindness in this way to all alike, it would
not have been so wonderful, since all were in the same lost and ruined
condition. But this act of peculiar and special favor, when there
was no merit whatever in them, that they should be made kings and priests
of the Most High rather than others, was unlike anything known before among
mankind, and it seemed to them that their hearts ought to overflow with
love and thanksgiving on account of it every moment of their lives. Indeed,
there was a simplicity or artlessness in the way they talked on this subject
that was really interesting. Is it not possible that many of them, almost
without knowing it, thought they were after all just a little better than
others, and were chosen or elected on that account?